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		<title>Trump intent on erasing Palestine</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2019 23:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[U.S. President Donald Trump has come up with what he calls the “Deal of the Century,” the sole purpose of which is to finally remove Palestine from the world stage and put an end to the existence of the state.]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-13594" alt="palestina" src="/files/2019/05/palestina.jpg" width="300" height="251" />U.S. President Donald Trump has come up with what he calls the “Deal of the Century,” the sole purpose of which is to finally remove Palestine from the world stage and put an end to the existence of the state.</p>
<p>With great fanfare, the tycoon-come-president, using several of his advisors, intends to deceive the world with a formula to fully favor Israel and deny territory and freedom for the Arab population.</p>
<p>According to a document leaked in Tel Aviv, the deal would be a “tripartite agreement” signed between Israel, the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), and Hamas to establish a so-called “New Palestine” in the occupied West Bank and the Gaza Strip, but this would exclude Israel’s illegally built settlements, which will remain in the hands of the Zionist government.<br />
Jerusalem would remain under Israeli control, and the Arab population that lives there would be citizens of the New Palestine. The deal represents a coup de grâce to the Palestinian right to East Jerusalem as the capital of the State of Palestine, recognized by the UN and other international bodies.</p>
<p>According to the leak, “New Palestine” would not have an army, just a police force. A protection treaty would be signed with Israel, with Palestine having to pay for its services to defend it from any external attack. Hamas would hand all its weapons, including personal weapons, to Egyptian authorities.</p>
<p>I do not think it necessary to write any more on the matter to know that this so-called “Deal of the Century,” conceived by Trump, is doomed to failure.</p>
<p>In recent days, the Israeli army has killed more than a dozen Palestinians in Gaza, in an attack that the Palestinian National Authority (PNA) has described as a “prelude” to the Deal of the Century.<br />
The PNA also stated that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is seeking to further Israeli and U.S. interests by consolidating the division between the West Bank and Gaza Strip.</p>
<p>Sputnik cites Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who notes that any deal to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a road to nowhere if the principle of two States, one Arab-Palestinian and one Jewish, is ignored.</p>
<p>Palestinian Prime Minister Mohammad Shtayyeh said that those who believe that PLO will be pressured by the United States are mistaken. “We say no and 1,000 no’s to any initiative that does not meet the minimum demands of the Palestinian people,” he stressed.</p>
<p>And since everything that comes from Trump ultimately carries with it a threat, this time Washington has warned that if the PLO and Hamas reject the agreement, the United States will cancel all its financial support to the Palestinians.</p>
<p><strong>(Granma)</strong></p>
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		<title>Statement by the Revolutionary Government: Cuba condemns fresh attacks by Israel against the Palestinian people</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2018 23:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Revolutionary Government of the Republic of Cuba vehemently condemns the criminal attack on the defenseless Palestinian population in the Gaza Strip, by the Israeli Army which has killed at least 52 people and left over 2,400 injured.]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-12197" alt="Jerusalem" src="/files/2018/05/Jerusalem.jpg" width="292" height="223" />The Revolutionary Government of the Republic of Cuba vehemently condemns the criminal attack on the defenseless Palestinian population in the Gaza Strip, by the Israeli Army which has killed at least 52 people and left over 2,400 injured.</p>
<p>This act constitutes another serious and flagrant violation of the UN Charter and international humanitarian law, and a new outrage against the Palestinian people.</p>
<p>Cuba reiterates its rejection of the unilateral steps taken by the United States to establish its diplomatic representation in the city of Jerusalem, in utter contempt of international law and the United Nations resolutions, and further aggravating tensions in the region.</p>
<p>The Revolutionary Government reiterates once again its unwavering support for a comprehensive, just, and lasting solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, on the basis of the creation of two states, and the Palestinian people’s right to free self-determination and a sovereign state according to the pre-1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital.</p>
<p>Havana, May 15, 2018</p>
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		<title>UN: Israel must compensate Palestinians</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2018 16:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Israel has a legal obligation to compensate Palestine for the economic damages caused by five decades of occupation, either by obstructing economic activity in the occupied territories or by impeding their progress and development, a UN report released on Wednesday noted.]]></description>
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<p>The text adds that Tel Aviv must open an investigation into recent repression in the Gaza Strip, which killed at least 17 Palestinians and left thousands injured.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Israel rejected the investigation requested by the UN and later by the European Union (EU).</p>
<p>“They did what they had to do. I think all our troops deserve recognition, and there will be no investigation,” stated Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman.</p>
<p>The cruel armed Israeli repression against peaceful Palestinian demonstrators sparked international condemnation of “the excessive use of force.”</p>
<p>Cuba strongly condemned the Israeli aggression against the Palestinian population, which represents a serious and flagrant violation of the UN Charter and International Humanitarian Law.</p>
<p><strong>(Granma)</strong></p>
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		<title>Díaz-Canel receives Palestinian leader</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Miguel Díaz-Canel Bermúdez, Party Central Committee Political Bureau member and First Vice President of Cuba's Councils of State and Ministers, yesterday afternoon received Sabri Saidam, member of the Al Fatah movement's Central Committee and minister of Education and Higher Education in Palestine]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-11415" alt="Diaz Canel Alfatá" src="/files/2018/02/Diaz-Canel-Alfatá.jpg" width="300" height="233" />Miguel Díaz-Canel Bermúdez, Party Central Committee Political Bureau member and First Vice President of Cuba&#8217;s Councils of State and Ministers, yesterday afternoon received Sabri Saidam, member of the Al Fatah movement&#8217;s Central Committee and minister of Education and Higher Education in Palestine, who is visiting our country as the special envoy of President Mahmud Abbas, to convey a message to Raúl Castro Ruz, President of Cuba&#8217;s Councils of State and Ministers.</p>
<p>During the fraternal meeting, the Cuban leader reiterated our country&#8217;s unwavering support to the unalienable right of the Palestinian people to their own state, with its 1967 borders and capital in East Jerusalem.</p>
<p>He likewise reaffirmed Cuba&#8217;s condemnation of the unilateral decision of the United States to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.</p>
<p>Saidam, who is also participating in the Universidad 2018 conference currently underway in Havana, thanked Cuba for its historic support of the Palestinian cause, and expressed his country&#8217;s desire to further consolidate the friendship and cooperation that unites the two nations.</p>
<p>Palestine&#8217;s ambassador in Cuba, Akram Mohammad Rashid Samhan, accompanied the distinguished guest, while on the Cuban side, participating were Foreign Minister Bruno Rodríguez Parrilla, also a member of the Party Political Bureau; and the ministry&#8217;s director for North Africa and the Middle East, Héctor Igarza Cabrera.</p>
<p><strong>(Granma)</strong></p>
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		<title>UNESCO Hosts International Meeting on Palestine</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 13:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paris, May 30 (Prensa Latina) A two-day international UN meeting on the situation in Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories started sessions today at the headquarters of the UN Educational Scientific and Cultural Organization in this capital. The meeting, organized by the Committee for the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People and with Cuba as deputy chair.]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2980" src="/files/2012/05/palestina.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="250" />Paris, May 30 (Prensa Latina) A two-day international UN meeting on the situation in Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories started sessions today at the headquarters of the UN Educational Scientific and Cultural Organization in this capital.</p>
<p>The meeting, organized by the Committee for the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People and with Cuba as deputy chair, is scheduled to discuss particularly the role of youngsters and women in finding a solution to the conflict.</p>
<p>Groups of experts are discussing the main problems affecting the Palestinian population in the economic, social and health fields, and also their training and opportunities to find a job.</p>
<p>Specialists include Rabiha Diab, Minister for Women Affairs of the Palestinian National Authority; Abdu Sallam Diallo, Head of the Committee, and Getachew Engida, Deputy Director-General of UNESCO.</p>
<p>At the end of this meeting, on June 1st, a UN gathering on the role of civil
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<p>Last year, the General Conference of UNESCO approved Palestine´s full membership, in what was described as a historic move of great significance.</p>
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		<title>NATO’s Genocidal Role (Part Three)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oem software download p&#62;On February 23rd, under the title of “The Cynical Danse Macabre”, I set out: “The policy of plundering imposed by the United States and their NATO allies in the Middle East has gone into a crisis. ” “Thanks to the treason committed by Sadat at Camp David, the Palestinian State has not]]></description>
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<p>p&gt;On February 23rd, under the title of “The Cynical Danse Macabre”, I set out:</p>
<p>“The policy of plundering imposed by the United States and their NATO allies in the Middle East has gone into a crisis. ”</p>
<p>“Thanks to the treason committed by Sadat at Camp David, the Palestinian State has not been able to exist, despite the UN treaties of November 1947, and Israel became a strong nuclear power, an ally of the United States and NATO.</p>
<p>The US Military Industrial Complex supplied Israel with tens of billions of dollars every year as well as to the very Arab States that were submitted and being humiliated by Israel.</p>
<p>The genie has escaped from the bottle and NATO doesn’t know how to control it.</p>
<p>They are going to attempt to wrest the most benefits from the regrettable events in Libya. Nobody can know at this moment what is happening over there. All the figures and versions, even the most implausible ones, have been spread by the empire via the mass media, sowing chaos and disinformation.</p>
<p>It is obvious that inside Libya a civil war is brewing. Why and how did this happen? Who will pay the consequences? Reuters Agency, echoing the opinion of the well-known Nomura Bank of Japan, stated that oil prices could go beyond any limits:”</p>
<p>“…What would be the consequences in the midst of the food crisis?</p>
<p>“The main NATO leaders are all worked up. British Prime Minister David Cameron, ANSA informed, ‘…admitted in a speech in Kuwait that the western nations made a mistake in backing non-democratic governments in the Arab world.’.”</p>
<p>“His French colleague Nicolas Sarkozy stated: ‘The extended brutal and bloody repression of the Libyan civilian population is disgusting.”</p>
<p>“Italian Chancellor Franco Frattini stated as ‘believable’ the figure of one thousand dead in Tripoli […] ‘the tragic numbers shall be a bloodbath’.”</p>
<p>Hillary Clinton stated: “…the ‘bloodbath’ is ‘completely unacceptable’ and ‘it has to stop’…”</p>
<p>“Ban Ki-moon spoke: “‘The use of violence in the country is absolutely unacceptable’.”</p>
<p>“…‘the Security Council will act according to whatever the international community decides’.”</p>
<p>“‘We are considering a series of options<strong>’</strong>.”</p>
<p>What Ban Ki-moon is really hoping is that Obama pronounces the last word.</p>
<p>The president of the United States spoke this Wednesday afternoon and stated that the Secretary of State would be leaving for Europe in order to agree with their NATO allies on the measures to be taken. On his face once could note the opportunity to spar with John McCain, the far-right-wing Republican senator, pro-Israel Senator Joseph Lieberman from Connecticut and the leaders of the Tea Party, in order to ensure the Democratic Party demands.</p>
<p>The empire’s mass media has prepared the terrain for action. There would be nothing strange about a military intervention in Libya; besides, with that, Europe would be guaranteed almost two million barrels of light oil per day, unless before that events would put an end to the leadership or the life of Gaddafi.</p>
<p>“Anyway, Obama’s role is rather complicated. What will the reaction of the Arab and Muslim world be if blood should flow in abundance in that country as a result of that exploit? Would NATO intervention in Libya stem the revolutionary tidal wave surging in Egypt?</p>
<p>In Iraq, the innocent blood of more than a million Arab citizens was spilt when the country was invaded under false pretexts.  ”</p>
<p>“Nobody in the world would ever agree with the deaths of defenceless civilians in Libya or anywhere else.  And I wonder: will the US and NATO apply that principle on the defenceless civilians that the unmanned Yankee planes and the soldiers of that organization kill every day in Afghanistan and Pakistan?</p>
<p>It is a cynical <em>danse macabre</em>.”</p>
<p>While I was meditating upon these events, the debate scheduled for yesterday, Tuesday, October 25<sup>th</sup>, began at the United Nations, on the “Necessity of ending the economic, commercial and financial embargo imposed by the United States of America against Cuba”, something that has been addressed by the immense majority of the member countries of that institution over the course of 20 years.</p>
<p>This time, the numerous basic and just reasons – that for US administrations were nothing more than rhetorical exercises – made clear as never before the political and moral weakness of the most powerful empire that has existed, to whose oligarchic interests and insatiable lust for power and wealth all the inhabitants of the planet have been submitted, including the people of that very country.</p>
<p>The United States tyrannizes and pillages the globalized world with its political, economic, technological and military might.  <strong></strong></p>
<p>That truth becomes ever more obvious after the honest and valiant debates that have been taking place in the last 20 years at the UN, with the support of the states that one presumes express the will of the immense majority of the planet’s inhabitants.</p>
<p>Before Bruno’s address, many countries’ organizations expressed their points of view via one of their members. The first of these was Argentina on behalf of the Group of 77 and China; Egypt followed on behalf of the Non-Aligned Nations; Kenya on behalf of the African Union; Belize on behalf of CARICOM; Kazakhstan on behalf of the Islamic Cooperation Organization; and Uruguay on behalf of MERCOSUR.</p>
<p>Besides these group-based expressions, China, a country with growing political and economic clout in the world, India and Indonesia firmly supported the Resolution through their ambassadors; among the three of them they represent 2.700 million inhabitants. The ambassadors of the Russian Federation, Belorussia, South Africa, Algeria, Venezuela and Mexico also spoke. Among the poorest countries of the Caribbean and Latin America, there were vibrating words of solidarity, such as the ones by the ambassador of Belize, who spoke on behalf of the Caribbean community, also the ambassador of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, who spoke on behalf of his country and the one from Bolivia, whose arguments related to solidarity with our people, despite a blockade that is now lasting 50 years, will be an undying stimulus for our physicians, educators and scientists.</p>
<p>Nicaragua spoke prior to the vote, to courageously explain why it would be voting against that treacherous measure.</p>
<p>Also speaking earlier was the United States representative, to explain the unexplainable. I was sorry for him. It was the role they had given him.</p>
<p>When the time for the vote arrived, two countries were absent: Libya and Sweden; three abstained: the Marshall Islands, Micronesia and Palau; two voted nay: the US and Israel. Adding up those who voted nay, abstained or were absent: the United States with 313 million inhabitants; Israel with 7.4 million; Sweden with 9.5 million; Libya with 6.5 million; Marshall Islands with 67.100; Micronesia, 106.800; Palau with 20.900, the total comes to 336 million 948 thousand, equivalent to 4.8% of the world’s population which this month is at 7 billion.</p>
<p>Following voting, to explain their vote, Poland spoke on behalf of the European Union which, in spite of its close alliance with the United States and its forced participation in the blockade, is against that criminal measure.</p>
<p>Afterwards, 17 countries spoke, to resolutely and decisively explain why they voted for the Resolution against the embargo.</p>
<p>To be continued on Friday the 28th.</p>
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<p><strong>Fidel Castro Ruz</strong></p>
<p><strong>October 26, 2011</strong></p>
<p><strong> 9:45 p.m.</strong></p>
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		<title>Palestine, Now or Never</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Palestine is people, culture and nation that cannot be denied nor oppressed by any force, no matter how powerful it claims to be - more you oppress the people, more they will rise with determination, foresight and power to seek freedom from foreign occupation and slavery of the few. ]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>By Dr. Mahboob A.  Khawaja</strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: small"><span style="font-family: Verdana"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2088" src="/files/2011/09/palestina-300x250.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="250" />Palestine  is people, culture and nation that cannot be denied nor oppressed by  any force, no matter how powerful it claims to be &#8211; more you oppress the  people, more they will rise with determination, foresight and power to  seek freedom from foreign occupation and slavery of the few. </span></span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: Verdana">“The UN vote is expected to occur on September 20. It is too much to hope that America  will do what it knows is the right thing and vote &#8220;yes&#8221; or be an honest  broker and abstain. The best we can hope for is that the United States and Israel  are part of a very small minority voting &#8220;no.&#8221; That kind of vote will  strengthen the Palestinians and perhaps frighten Netanyahu into  negotiating in good faith. But  even if not, the UN will have stated that the Palestinians are people,  too; people with rights, including the right to full sovereignty in the  West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem.  At that point, the writing will be on the wall. The occupation is  ending, hopefully before Netanyahu does too much more damage &#8230; to Israel.” (M J Rosenberg: “The Disaster Known as Netanyahu” 9.2.2011)</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana">Treacherous as is the conscious reality that global  organizations were created to protect the mankind from the scourge of  war and exploitations of the few paranoid and mindless powers dictating  the world. Strangely enough, we are, where we were more than sixty years  ago after the WW2 searching for a credible span of time to have human  dignity, respect for rights, co-existence and understanding of peace and  security against violence , killing and occupation. Not so, all those  were simple illusions to fudge the humanity &#8211; to rob the mankind  collectively of its interest and optimism for the future, be it at the  UN Security Council or elsewhere. The UN-SC is the facebook for those  who claim to be powerful &#8211; if they are indeed powerful in any sense of  the meaning or global relevance in the changing politics of 21<sup>st</sup> century.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Verdana">Given  the will and proper sense of understanding of time and history, there  are problems which are solvable without resorting to violence and  bloodsheds. Palestine is one of those political issue and humanitarian catastrophe waiting for a viable solution since 1948. The  Arab echelon have neglected it, the world community has abandoned it  but the Palestinian people continued to be living as refugees in their  homes,  crippled by all means of  social, economic and political violations of human identities &#8211; people  who have been forced to live less than being human ways of life and prevalent conditions. Not too many global politicians are keen to settle the freedom of Palestine, but many would talk about it for political face saving. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Verdana">Just a year ago at the General Assembly, President Obama made it known that by next year Palestine could be a free nation member sitting at the UNO. The  Israelis and others directly engaged in peaceful dialogue with  Palestinians reinforced similar overtures at various international  forums and table talks. Why is it that Palestinians are adamantly opposed by the US and Israel to establish an independent homeland of their own? </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Verdana">M  J Rosenberg (“The Disaster known as Netanyahu” Free Thought Manifest:  9.2.2011) points out the new realities unfolding from the Israeli  official circle:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: Verdana">“Israel’s  propaganda machine would have it otherwise. It insists that the  Palestinians, and the Arabs and Muslims throughout the world who support  them, don&#8217;t really care about the occupation. Their goal, we are  constantly told, is to destroy Israel itself. As proof, they insist that &#8220;the Palestinians have never recognised Israel&#8217;s right to statehood.&#8221;</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana">The  PLO President Mahmood Abbas appears determined to go for the UNO  membership and seek an independent State of Palestine with capital in East Jerusalem. The proposition does not challenge nor threaten anybody’s lifeline, well being or statehood, be it Israel or the US or any other party. So what is the fuss about it? Susan Rice, the US  Chief delegate at the Security Council made it clear last night  (9.16.2011) in a CNN announcement that if the PLO goes for statehood  resolution, nothing will change on the ground. This means that either  the US veto the resolution if it comes up at the Council or <strong>d</strong>o everything possible to stop the movement for the establishment of an independent State of Palestine. The rhetoric reveals that PLO should continue to talk with Israel and figure out its freedom. Even  common sense will demand a logical answer, how do you talk to an  occupier who does not recognize your rights, your human dignity or right  to freedom? Is that not what  has been going on for over sixty years? Does Miss Rice not know the  basic lesson of the Israeli-Palestine problems?  Have they not agreed to disagree time and again, time and again? Is it not the time killing exercise that the US wishes to dictate again? Alan  Hart an American scholar (“Zionism and Peace Are Incompatible”  Dissident Voice, Oct 21, 2010), explains the core problem embedded in  Zionism :</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: Verdana">“Zionism  is not only Jewish nationalism which created a state in the Arab  heartland mainly by terrorism and ethnic cleansing. It is also a  pathological mindset. In the deluded Zionist mind the world was always  anti-Jew and always will be. It follows that Holocaust II (shorthand for  another great turning against Jews) is inevitable. It follows that  there can be no limits to what Zionism will do in order to preserve  nuclear-armed Greater Israel as a refuge of last resort for all Jews  everywhere when the world turns against them…….<em> </em><em>But  alas, reality continues to slap everyone in the face: Zionism and peace  are incompatible. I will say it again, Zionism and peace are  incompatible</em><em>.”</em></span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana">If  history is any point of reference, President Obama and Susan Rice know  it well that no objective oriented agenda will ever be concluded by the  Israeli-Palestinian negotiators on their own. To summarize the attitudinal changes within the Israeli politics and its spill-over impact on America, Alan Hart cites a different viewpoint narrated by Aluf Benn in <em>Ha’aretz</em> on 20 October, 2010:</span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: Verdana">“Israel’s  diplomacy has reached a turning point. Instead of dealing with the  failed direct talks, from this point Israel will be orchestrating a  diplomatic holding action against the Palestinian initiative to have the  UN Security Council recognize Palestinian independence within the 1967  borders. Such a decision would deem Israel an invader and occupier, paving the way for measures against Israel. Obama could scuttle the process by casting an American veto. Would he do it? And at what price?” </span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana">Well, don’t blame the US  or Israelis entirely for this tragedy. What about the fellow Arab  rulers &#8211; leaders, what have they done to enhance the cause of the  freedom of Palestine? That  chapter of the book is open and clean without any narration, without  plausible record, engrossed with terrible wickedness and treachery to  the cause of freedom of Palestine.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana">Just  try to view the facts of life in a comparative context to acquire a  better sense of the problems. Israelis have planned aims, priorities,  institutions to pursue the goals, committed leaders and networks all  over the globe to enlist support, propagate their perspectives and do  their best to be successful in achieving their aims and political  priorities. No matter, who comes into power in Israel, their goals and actions are not deviated from their political agenda rather reinforced and crystallized. Often the US  leaders act like surrogate mothers to protect the Israeli national  interests even at costs of ignoring their own strategic interests. It is  politics and functions well in the US  where congressmen and senators receive financial contributions from the  Jewish lobbyists. Nobody sees it as an absurd influence peddling tactic  or something illegal or unwelcome intervention in the working of the  American political system. Money buys people and trade mutual interests.  Most of the US politicians would not dare to challenge the Israelis stance and viewpoints. They are doing the job faithfully.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Verdana">Have you ever seen an Arab leaders coming out in public and uttering few words of wisdom in favor of the Palestine freedom?  Have you ever heard about Arab lobbyist groups working for the benefits of Arab interests-Palestine freedom?  If  animosity is to be responded, do the Arab elite and policy makers know  enough about Israeli culture and politics and approaches to decision  making? Frankly, the Arab rulers and have no sense of  the  Israeli life, language or bent of mind in any rational manner. Israelis  are smart, open to listening and learning and they have evolved the  institutionalized approaches to enhance their vital interests and  priorities. The Arab rulers have no sense of time, history or strategic  direction – often they live in modern prison cells- called palaces built  with petrodollars- stolen money from the public treasury. Their so  called friends in the US and Europe called them camel junky &#8211; rug heads and rulers without mind.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana">John  Perkins (Confessions of an Economic Hitman) recalls how George Tenet,  former CIA Chief used to hug the Arab monarchs as if he was their friend  and buddy and they would readily do anything – fair or foul to please  the Americans. Arabs have no institutions to enlist public support for  any political cause. They are allergic to listening and learning from  Muslim scholars and experts in global affairs, instead, they hire  specialists from the US and Europe to advise them &#8211; the people who are part of the problem, how could they be part of solution.</span><span style="font-family: Verdana"></p>
<p>There  is no rational place for meeting of minds or opportunity that one could  try to make the Arab authoritarian rulers understand that they have  crossed over the limit of reason and absurdity and now is the time for  change and reformation to make a navigational change. They appear to be  so indifferent, cruel and unmindful of the facts of life – their palaces  and reign comes first, people have no entry point in their agenda. The Palestine problem lived in denials for over sixty years.  With  people’s revolutionary movements and many authoritarian Arab rulers on  the run, Arabs collectively are in a very weak position to assert any  influence over the events and coming developments to shape the Palestine resolution. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Verdana">You  do not any pill to recall the facts of human life. Some twenty years  earlier, this author offered a strategic plan and proposal widely  defined and circulated in the Arab world (“Towards Muslim Unity”, “Why  Muslims are a Divided People?” “Approaches to Comparative Strategic  Policy Planning: Muslim World and the West”), how an Ummah Council  (Muslim Parliament of educated representatives) should be set up,  organized and function to deal with issues of economic, social and  political interests and policies and have open trade, common currency  and free movements of goods and services and lot more.  Imagine, if such an assembly was discussing the issue of the freedom of Palestine  and echoing its voice and support to the besieged Palestinian people,  don’t you think, the world would have listened to them carefully and  appraised its value in real terms for actions. Indeed, it would have. The  unity of Muslim Ummah and educated and intelligent leadership would  have changed the shape and forms of contemporary hopeless affairs.  Should the authoritarian Arab leaders not be questioned and held  accountable for their incompetence, treachery and failure to protect the  interests of the Arab people? The  author would like to share a perspective (“Arab Ummah vs. Muslim Ummah,  Who you were and where you are?” MediaMonitors network, May 8, 2002),  that was observed a decade earlier: </span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: small">“<span style="font-family: Times New Roman"><span style="font-family: Arial">World  observers describe the Arab leaders as &#8220;defeated&#8221; cronies who  capitalize on inflicted miseries of the masses to build palaces and to  increase foreign bank balances. Is it possible that the defeated parties  could pressure the victors? Or demand favorable terms and conditions on  issues which involve life and death questions? Israelis of all  persuasions are ONE and committed strong and aggressive. Allah made you a  Muslim &#8220;Ummah&#8221;, but you insist on becoming an Arab &#8220;Ummah&#8221;, reverting  to the age of ignorance. Islam bestowed honor and success on the  faithful believers. When you discarded Islam, you left behind all its  merits and claims. Your leaders believe, you are an economic man and  women like the Western cultures, they work to earn, you consume fatty  dinners and enjoy 4 wheels cruiser without working for it. Your enemies  are happy; you are true believers in progressive economic myths and life  styles. But your leaders are without followers, without sense of  responsibility or guilt. Most Western political analysts believe Arab  leaders hardly bother to use their brain; it is always new and fresh  like a baby</span>.”</span></span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana">Israeli  right wing coalition PM Netanyahu threatens to cancel the Oslo  Agreement if the PLO shall go to the UNO for independence and full  membership. The ground realities are telling that Oslo agreement had no prospect for the Palestine  freedom, its ultimate goals was to keep the Palestinians under  continued occupation. This is what Arafat and his colleagues had  willingly signed-in to the deal. M J Rosenberg (“The Disaster Known as Netanyahu”) puts the argument into proper context: </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Verdana">“Binyamin Netanyahu is very close to bringing Israel back to where it was before the Oslo  agreement of 1993. There is even the strong possibility that he will  take it back to where it was before the Camp David peace treaty with Egypt — with the added disaster that the relationship with Turkey (established in 1948) will also be gone.<br />
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<p><span style="font-family: Verdana">In a normal country, a record of disastrous failures like those would lead to Netanyahu&#8217;s departure from office. But not in Israel…… <strong>The worst part is that nearly all of Israel&#8217;s  problems with its neighbors could be resolved by ending the occupation.  Even the economy would benefit if the Israeli government was not  wasting so much money on the settlers and their exorbitant demands.”</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Verdana">Palestine  freedom is real and its needs a coherent rational argument to be shared  at the global podium, if only some educated and intelligent Arab  scholars well versed in thoughts and presentation of ideas could speak  to the international community. The mankind must exercise its full  knowledge, political foresight and moral strength to oppose continued  tyranny and occupation by Israel. Palestine  must be free now as an obligation long overdue to the systematic  international responsibility. The global community of nations should  support the resolution calling for an independent State of Palestine to  con-exist with Israel.  There  is no question of choice to enhance illegal occupation and continued  settlements replacing the Palestinian identity, rights and homeland.  M J Rosenberg (“The Disaster Known as Netanyahu”), sums up the mindset of the US &#8211; Israeli leaders who will play a role at the forthcoming UN deliberations:</span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: Verdana">“The Palestinian turn to the United Nations offers the solution to virtually all of Israel&#8217;s problems. President Mahmoud Abbas says that once Palestine is recognised by the international body, he will resume negotiations with Israel  over all the issues that divide the two sides. The only difference will  be that negotiations will be between two states, not one powerful state  and one supplicant hoping a few crumbs fall off the table.</p>
<p>Netanyahu  is terrified of a UN vote. He and his emissaries are going around the  world demanding that the statehood resolution be voted down.</p>
<p>The UN vote is expected to occur on September 20. It is too much to hope that America  will do what it knows is the right thing and vote &#8220;yes&#8221; or be an honest  broker and abstain. The best we can hope for is that the United States and Israel  are part of a very small minority voting &#8220;no.&#8221; That kind of vote will  strengthen the Palestinians and perhaps frighten Netanyahu into  negotiating in good faith.  But  even if not, the UN will have stated that the Palestinians are people,  too; people with rights, including the right to full sovereignty in the  West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem.  At that point, the writing will be on the wall. The occupation is  ending, hopefully before Netanyahu does too much more damage &#8230; to Israel.”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><em><span style="font-family: Verdana"><strong>Dr. Mahboob A. Khawaja</strong> specializes in global security, peace and conflict resolution with keen  interests in Islamic-Western comparative cultures and civilizations,  and author of several publications including the latest: Arabia at Crossroads- Arab People Strive for Freedom, Peace and New Leadership. VDM Publishing, Germany, 2011). </span></em></p>
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<p><strong>Frank Barat poses questions from artists, activists and journalists, on Egypt, corporate power, Palestine and more.</strong></p>
<p>For his second interview in less than a year with Professor Noam  Chomsky (the first one took place in Cambridge in September 2010 and is  available <a href="http://vimeo.com/14835834" rel="nofollow"  target="_blank">here</a>), Frank Barat asked well known artists and journalists to each send one question that they&#8217;d like to ask Noam.</p>
<h3><strong>John Berger</strong></h3>
<p><strong>Political practice often surprises political vocabulary. For  example, the recent revolution in the Middle East is said to demand  democracy. Can we find more adequate words? Isn&#8217;t the use of the old and  frequently betrayed words a way of absorbing the shock, instead of  welcoming it and transmitting it further?</strong></p>
<p>Just to begin I think the word revolution is a bit of an  exaggeration. Maybe it will turn into a revolution but for the moment  it’s a call for a moderate reform. There are elements in it, like the  workers movement that have tried to move beyond that but that remains to  be seen. However, the point is correct but there is no way out of that. It’s not the just the word democracy, it’s every word that is involved  in discussion of political affairs. It has two meanings. It has its  literal meaning and it has the meaning that’s assigned to it for  political welfare, for ideology, for doctrine. So either we stop talking  or we try to use the words in a sensible way. And it’s not just about  democracy.</p>
<p>Take a simple word like &#8216;person&#8217;. It sounds simple. Take a look  at it. The United States is quite interesting. The United States has  guarantees of personal rights that go beyond maybe any other country.  But have a look at them. The amendments of the constitution states very  explicitly that no person can be deprived of rights without due process  of law. It reappears in the 14th amendment – it was in the  5th amendment, it was intended to apply to freed slaves but it’s never  been applied to them. The courts narrowed the meaning and broadened the  meaning crucially. They broadened the meaning to include corporations:  fictitious legal entities established by a state power. So they were  given the rights of persons, by now rights way beyond persons. On the  other hand, it was also narrowed because the term &#8216;person&#8217;, you might  think, would also apply to those creatures walking around doing the  dirty work in the society, who don’t happen to have documents. And that  wouldn’t do, because they must be deprived of rights. So the courts, in  their wisdom, decided they’re not persons. The only persons are people  with citizenship. So now non-human corporate entities like the Barclays  Bank, they are persons, with rights way beyond persons. But humans, the  people sweeping the streets, are not persons, they don’t have rights and  the same is true to every term you look at.</p>
<p>So take &#8216;free trade agreements&#8217;. For example there’s a North  American Free Trade Agreement: Canada, the United States and Mexico. The  only accurate term in that is &#8216;North American&#8217;. It’s certainly not an  &#8216;agreement&#8217;, at least if human beings are part of their societies,  because the populations of the three countries were against it. So it’s  not an agreement. It’s not about &#8216;free trade&#8217;, it’s highly  protectionist, tremendous protections for monopoly pricing rights for  pharmaceutical corporations and so on. A lot of it is not about trade at  all. In fact, what we call &#8216;trade&#8217; is a kind of a joke.</p>
<p>For example in the old Soviet Union, if parts were manufactured  in Leningrad and shipped to Warsaw for assembly and then sold in Moscow,  I wouldn’t call that trade, although it did cross national borders. It  was interactions within a single-command economy. And exactly the same  is true if General Motors manufactures parts in Indiana, sends them to  Mexico for assembly and sells them in Los Angeles. We call that trade  both ways. In fact if you look at the trade, it’s about 50% of it.  That’s small. And a lot of the agreement is just about investor rights:  granting General Motors the rights of national companies in Mexico for  example, which Mexicans of course don&#8217;t get in the United States. Pick  the term you want. You are going to find exactly the same thing. So yes,  that’s a problem and we get around it by trying to be clear about the  way we use the wrong terminology.</p>
<h3><strong>Chris Hedges</strong></h3>
<p><strong>Julien Benda in The Treason of Intellectuals argued that it  is only when intellectuals are not in the pursuit of practical aims or  material advantages that they can serve as a conscience and a  corrective. Can you address the loss of philosophers, religious leaders,  writers, journalists, artists and scholars whose lives were once lived  in direct opposition to the realism of the multitudes and what this has  meant for our intellectual and moral life? </strong></p>
<p>I may understand his feelings and share them, but I don&#8217;t know  what the loss was. When was it ever true? At no time that I can  remember, the term intellectual came into pretty common use in its  general modern sense at the time of the Dreyfusards. They were a small  minority. A small vilified minority. The mass of intellectuals supported  state power. During the first world war, and shortly afterwards, the  intellectuals in every one of the countries, passionately supported  their own state and its own violence. There were a handful of exceptions  like Bertrand Russell in England or Rosa Luxembourg and Karl Liebknecht  in Germany or Eugene Debs in the United States, but they were all in  jail. They were marginal and they were all in prison. In the John Dewey  circle, the liberal intellectuals in the United States who were  passionately pro-war, there was one member, Randolph Warren, who did not  go along with it. He was not put in jail &#8211; the United States is a  pretty free country, but he was just thrown out the journals,  intellectually exiled and son on. That is the way it has always been.</p>
<p>During the 60s, a big activist period, take a careful look:  intellectuals were very supportive of Martin Luther King and the civil  rights movement, as long as he was attacking somebody else. As long as  the civil rights movement was going after racists sheriffs in Alabama,  that was wonderful. Everybody praised it. As soon as it turned to class  issues, it was marginalised and suppressed. People tend to forget that  he was killed when he was taking part in a sanitation workers strike,  and on his way to Washington to help organise the poor people&#8217;s  movement. Well that crosses a boundary, that goes after us. It goes  after privilege and the north and so on. So the intellectuals  disappeared.</p>
<p>With regard to the Vietnam war, it is exactly the same thing.  There was almost no-one, among known intellectuals &#8211; there were of  course people on the fringes, they were young people and so on- but  among well-known intellectuals, practically nothing. At the very end,  after the Tet offensive in 1968, when the business community turned  against the war, then you started getting people saying &#8216;Yes, I was  always a long time anti-war activist&#8217; &#8230; but there&#8217;s no trace of it or  whatever.</p>
<p>In fact you can take this back to the earliest history. Go back  to classical Greece, who drank the hemlock? The guy was accused of  corrupting the youth of Athens, with false gods. Take biblical records.  They don&#8217;t have the term &#8216;intellectual&#8217; but they have a term which meant  what we mean by intellectual, it is called &#8216;prophet&#8217;. It is a bad  translation of an obscure Hebrew word. There were so-called prophets,  intellectuals, who carried out political criticism, condemned the king  for bringing about disaster, condemned the king&#8217;s crimes, called for  mercy for widows and orphans, and so on&#8230; Well we would call these  intellectuals. How were they treated? They were denounced as haters of  Israel. That is the exact phrase that was used. That is the origin of  the phrase &#8216;self hating Jew&#8217; in the modern period. And they were  imprisoned, driven into the desert and so on. Now, they were  intellectuals who were praised: the flatterers of the court. Centuries  later, they were called &#8216;false prophets&#8217;. But not at the time. At that  is almost the entire history since.</p>
<p>There are a few exceptions. In the modern period, the one major  exception I know is actually Turkey. It is the only country I know where  leading prominent artists, academics, journalists, publishers – a very  broad range of intellectuals &#8211; not only condemn the crimes of the state,  but are involved in constant civil disobedience against it. Facing,  often enduring, pretty severe punishment. I have to laugh when I come to  Europe and hear people complaining about how the Turks are not  civilised enough to join their advanced society. They can learn some  lessons from Turkey. And that is pretty unusual. In fact it is so  unusual that it is barely known, you can&#8217;t bring it up. But aside from  the word &#8216;loss&#8217;, I think Chris Hedges&#8217; comments are accurate, but I just  can&#8217;t perceive any loss.</p>
<p>I think it is about the same that it has always been. And in  fact, the way that the these intellectuals are treated, of course does  vary. So in the United States lets say, maybe they are vilified or  something, in the old Soviet Union, lets say in Czechoslovakia in the  sixties and seventies, they could be imprisoned, like Havel was  imprisoned. If you were in American domains at that time, like El  Salvador, you&#8217;d get your brains blown out by elite battalion trained and  the US special warfare school. So yes, people are treated differently  depending on the country.</p>
<h3><strong>Amira Hass</strong></h3>
<p><strong>Have the uprisings in the Arab states made you change, revise  some of your past evaluations? Have they &#8211; and how &#8211; affected your  notions of, for example :masses, hope, facebook, poverty, western  intervention, surprise?</strong></p>
<p>Actually, Amira and I met in Turkey a couple of month ago, we had  a couple of hours, a chance to talk and neither of us, and maybe she  did but if she did, it was a secret, I certainly didn&#8217;t anticipate  anything, there was nothing happening in the Arab world, so yes, it  changed my opinion in that respect that it was unexpected. On the other  hand, when you look back at it, it&#8217;s not that different from what&#8217;s  happened before, except that in the past, the uprisings were brutally  suppressed and indeed they were this time too so the first of the  uprisings was actually in November and that was in the Western Sahara,  which is occupied by Morocco, 25 years ago Morocco invaded, violated UN  resolutions, it is a brutal occupation.</p>
<p>In November, there was a non-violent protest in which Moroccan  troops came in and crushed it violently which is something they&#8217;ve been  doing for 25 years, it was serious enough so it was brought to the UN  for a potential enquiry but France intervened. France is the primary  protector of atrocities and crimes in Western Africa, it is the old  French possessions, so they blocked the UN enquiry, that was the first.  The next one was in Tunisia, again more or less a French area, but that  one was successful, it threw out the dictator. And then came Egypt which  is the most important because of its significance in the Arab world and  that was pretty remarkable, a remarkable display of courage, dedication  and commitment. It did succeed in getting rid of the dictator, it  hasn&#8217;t yet changed the regime. Maybe it will but the regime is pretty  much in place, different names, but it is nothing new, that uprising,  the January 25 uprising that was led by young people who called  themselves the April 6 movement.</p>
<p>Well the April 6 happens for a reason, they picked that name  because it was the date of a major strike action a couple of years  earlier at the  Mahalla textile complex, the industrial complex, it was  supposed to be a major strike, support activities and so on. Well they  were crushed by violence, that&#8217;s April 6 and that is only one of the  series. Incidentally, shortly after the crushing of the April 6  uprising, President Obama came to Egypt to deliver his famous address,  the outreach to the Muslim world and so on. He was asked at a press  conference whether he would say anything about the authoritarian  government of President Mubarak and he said no he wouldn&#8217;t, he said  Mubarak is a good man, he is doing good things, keeping stability like  crushing the April 6 strike and so on and that is just fine.</p>
<p>The most striking one is Bahrain. That is frightening to the  West, first of all because Bahrain hosts the US fifth fleet, a major  military force in the region. Second because it is largely Shia and it  is right across a causeway of eastern Saudi Arabia which is majority  Shia and happens to be where most of the oil is. For years Western  planners have been concerned about the kind of geographical and  historical accidents, most of the world&#8217;s oil is in the Shia areas,  right around that part of the Gulf, Iran, southern Iraq, eastern Saudi  Arabia. Well if the uprising of Bahrain spreads to Saudi Arabia, then  Western power is really in trouble and in fact Obama has changed the  rhetoric that he used officially to talk about the uprisings. For a  while it was regime change, now it is regime alteration. We don’t want  it to change, it is too valuable to have a dictator to run things.</p>
<p>Actually a rather striking fact about all of this is that, take a  look at the wikileaks exposures, it&#8217;s pretty interesting. The ones that  got the most exposure in the West, the big headlines, the leaks from  the ambassadors which said that the Arab world support us against Iran,  well one thing was missing in that reaction, in the newspapers by the  columnist others, namely Arab opinion, what they meant was that the Arab  dictators support us but what about Arab opinion? There is none, it&#8217;s  not reported. In the United States zero, I think there is one report in  England, Jonathan Steele reported it, probably nothing in France, I  don’t know. But it is well known, released by very prestigious agencies &#8211;  it turns out that some Arabs think that Iran is a threat, about 10 per  cent.</p>
<p>The majority, the vast majority, think that the major threat is  the United States and Israel. In Egypt, 90 percent say that the United  States is the major threat, in fact US policy is so strong that in Egypt  I think it is close to 80 percent that think that the regime would be  better off if Iran had nuclear weapons. Over the all region, it is the  majority. Coming back to John Berger and term democracy, Western  intellectuals&#8217; comptent for democracy is so profound and deep seated,  that it doesn&#8217;t even occur to anyone to ask what the Arabs think, when  we are euphoric that the Arabs support us, the answer is it doesn&#8217;t  matter, as long as they are quiet and subdued and controlled, as long as  there is what&#8217;s called stability, it doesn’t matter what they think.  The dictators support us period, we&#8217;re euphoric, well that kind of ties  together a number of these questions but going back to Amira  Hass&#8217;  comment, what has happened, does, should, lead us to think about what  has been happening, not only in the Arab world but elsewhere, has often a  reason and has been subdued by violence and that has been true for  century.</p>
<p>I mean the British were suppressing the democracy movement in  Iran over a century ago. In Iraq there was a Shia uprising, and as soon  as the British cobbled the country together, after the first world war,  big uprisings violently suppressed one of the first uses of aircraft to  attack civilians.  Lloyd George  wrote in his diary that this was a  great thing because we have to reserve the right to bomb &#8216;niggers&#8217;. It  continued in 1953 whenthe United States and Britain  combined to throw  out the parliamentary government in Iran. In 1936 to 1939, there was an  Arab uprising in Palestine against the British, violently crushed.</p>
<p>The first Intifada was again a very significant popular uprising  It was entirely non-violent and a real popular movement: women&#8217;s groups  protest against the feudal structure, trying to dismantle it and so on.  It was crushed by violence. So sure these things like this happen a lot  of time, they&#8217;re just crushed. What is unusual this time is that it&#8217;s  strong enough, in most of the countries able to sustain itself. What  will happen in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain during, we don&#8217;t  know. In fact  we really don&#8217;t know what will happen in Egypt. The military has so far  retained control and the top military command at least,  is deeply  embedded into the old oppressive regime. They own a lot of the economy,  they were the beneficiaries of the Mubarak&#8217;s dictatorship, they are not  going to give it up easily, so it remains to be seen what happens there.</p>
<h3><strong>Ken Loach</strong></h3>
<p><strong>How do we overcome sectarianism on the left?</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we will ever overcome it. For one thing one form of  sectarianism should be welcomed, namely disagreement. A lot of things  are quite unclear, we ought to have discussion and disagreement, pursue  different options and so on, but what he means by sectarianism and what  is generally meant by it, is initiatives that sometimes attempt to, and  often succeed, in breaking up popular movements. Individuals or  political groups that have their own agenda and want to take control,  become little Lenins and so on. That kind of sectarianism I don&#8217;t think  is ever going to be suppressed. It can be marginalised, so for example  during the uprisings in the Arab world, say Egypt, Tahrir Square, there  was surprisingly little sectarianism and there were many different  points of view, you know, but there was a unity and common goal. That is  beginning to fall apart unfortunately.</p>
<p>So just yesterday, there was a women&#8217;s demonstration calling for  women&#8217;s rights. It was attacked. It&#8217;s a very sexist society and the  women were attacked. OK, that&#8217;s sectarianism. There is now also  religious sectarianism developing I mean, when a common goal is no  longer sort of uniting people in a struggle then you do get  sectarianism. That&#8217;s the way to bring people together. For example in  the labour movement, say in the United States. Labour has often  been  extremely racist, not necessarily just against blacks, for example Irish  in the late nineteen century were treated very much like blacks. I mean  you could walk around Boston and see signs &#8216;No dogs or Irish allowed&#8217;  and so on.</p>
<p>We were called Huns, that means anybody from Eastern Europe,  bitter racism against the Huns, against the Italians, it goes all the  way back. But when the strike waves began in the late nineteenth  century, and they really became significant, in places like the coal and  steel centres in western Pennsylvania where people took over cities and  ran them. At that point the sectarianism disappeared, the racism  disappeared, there was unity, to achieve something. The same is true  with CIO organising in the 1930s, it overcame racism against blacks and  they worked together. That&#8217;s the only way to do it that I know. Same  happened in the civil rights movement. If you&#8217;ve got a common goal and  you can combine and try to achieve it, then sectarian efforts are  marginalised, they don&#8217;t disappear, there&#8217;s still people hanging around  the periphery and maybe if the motives and commitment decline they may  begin to take over as we are beginning to see in Egypt, but I don&#8217;t know  any other way to do it.</p>
<h3><strong>Paul Laverty</strong></h3>
<p><strong>There has probably never been a time where there has been  such concentration of wealth and power in so few hands. The powerful are  sophisticated in maintaining this state of affairs, but perhaps we use  this too as an excuse to hide our shortcomings on the left. What do you  think has been lacking in our imaginative effort to build a mass  international campaign to democratise resources, and challenge corporate  power? Can you imagine a time where we can organise our lives and  economies successfully on a co-operative basis, rather than a  competitive one? </strong></p>
<p>Certainly I can imagine it and in fact there has been successful  experiments with it, some of them right now. None of them utopian, none  of them that I or you or others will aspire to but there are not  insignificant. Take say the Mondragon system in Spain, it&#8217;s not workers  managed, but it is workers owned. It&#8217;s a form of cooperative, quite  successful, very broad.</p>
<p>If you look around the United States, there are probably hundreds  of self managed enterprises, not huge, some of them are pretty large,  but they are successful. Take say Egypt right now, one of the  interesting thing that is happening in Egypt is that the labour  movement, which has been really militant for years (as I mentioned this  is not an uprising out of nothing), in some of the industrial centres  like the Mahalla, apparently workers have taken over the enterprise and  have been managing it themselves.  Well if that&#8217;s true, that would be  the beginning of a revolution, to go back to Berger&#8217;s words. So yes it&#8217;s  certainly feasible.</p>
<p>The comment about inequality is very real. I don&#8217;t know the  detailed statistics for the other countries but in the US right now  inequality is back to the highest level it&#8217;s been in history, in the  1920s But that&#8217;s misleading, because inequality in the US is highly  concentrated, it is mostly in the top one per cent of the population.  Take a look at the income distribution, it goes very sharply up towards  the high end and literally one tenth of one per cent of the population.  Now that&#8217;s extraordinary wealth. In fact that&#8217;s driving the inequality,  if you take that part away, it&#8217;s unequal but not totally out of sight.  Who are they? They are hedge funds managers, CEOs, bankers and so on.  Well something quite significant has been happening.</p>
<p>Since the 1970s the economy has changed significantly, it&#8217;s been  financialised. Go back to say 1970, financial institutions, banks,  investment firms were a small percentage of corporate profits. Now, in  2007 for example, they reached 40%. They don&#8217;t benefit the economy, in  fact they probably harm the economy, there is no social utility to them,  but they are powerful. With economic power comes political power.  Pretty obvious reasons. So they have gained extensive political power,  for example those financial institutions that have  put Obama into  office pretty much, that&#8217;s where most of his  funding came from.</p>
<p>With political power comes the opportunity to modify the  legislative system and they have been doing it. So since the 1980s  mainly, fiscal policies have been changed, tax policies, to ensure very  high concentration of wealth. Rules of corporate governance have been  changed. They allow for example the CEO of a corporation to select the  board that determines his salary. Well you can imagine what the  consequences of that are. Actually you read them in the front pages of  newspapers every day, about the huge bonuses given to management, that&#8217;s  where that comes from.</p>
<p>The regulation has collapsed, with very striking effects. This  generalises to the rest of the world. I am talking about the US because I  know it better. New Deal regulation prevented any financial crisis up  until the 1980s, really. Since the 1980s, crisis after crisis, several  during the Reagan years, pretty serious ones, in fact Reagan left office  with the worst financial crisis since the depression. The Savings &amp;  Loans scandal, then came Clinton, then this housing crisis, eight  trillion dollars of fake money disappeared, devastating the economy.  Well all of these are political decisions.</p>
<p>Meanwhile the cost of campaigning went way up and that compelled  the parties to climb pretty deep into the pockets of corporate sectors  where the money is. The next election, in 2012, is expected to cost  about 2 billion dollars. Take a look at the Obama administration, and  you notice, he is staffing the government right with executives. They  are the ones who have the access to corporate funding that is going to  buy the elections. Elections that are just becoming farces, run by  public relations industry. Its a marketing effort, they are saying it  quite openly. In fact Obama won the award from the advertising industry  for the best marketing campaign of 2008, they know exactly what&#8217;s going  on. Well all of this is a kind of a vicious cycle. It increases  concentration of wealth, it increases political power, which acts to  further increase wealth.</p>
<p>Why is there no reaction? Actually there is a reaction, right  now, for the first time, what&#8217;s going on in Wisconsin, is a very  significant reaction. There is tens of thousands of people in the  streets, day after day, with a lot of popular support, maybe two thirds  of the population supporting them. They are trying to defend labour  rights, the right of collective bargaining, which is under attack. I  mean the business world understands very well that the one barrier to  this total corporate tirany is the organised workers movement. So that&#8217;s  got to be destroyed. Labour history in the US has been extremely  violent, more so than in Europe and there have been efforts after  efforts to wipe out the unions, but they keep reviving. Now there is a  major one going on, but it&#8217;s been resisted. It&#8217;s been resisted by large  popular movements.</p>
<p>But where is the left? Actually what&#8217;s happened  to the left is  interesting. Since the 1960s when there was a big revival, there is  quite an activist left. There are more young activists now than there  were in the 1960s. But the issues have changed. The issues are called  sometimes post materialist. They are important issues, I don&#8217;t denigrate  them. Gay rights, environmental rights, women&#8217;s rights, they are all  important things but they don&#8217;t reach to the concern of the people who  are living under depression-level unemployment. They don&#8217;t reach to 20  per cent of the population who needs food stamps. There has not been  that kind of outreach and organising. So when the protest started in  Wisconsin a couple of weeks ago, there was practically no left  initiative. I mean a couple of well known figures came to give talks,  but it was not organised by the left groups who ought to be right at the  heart of it. It&#8217;s there and it&#8217;d better come or else we are in bad  trouble.</p>
<p>While left activism is significant, very significant, it&#8217;s pretty  much divorced from the daily struggle for survival and decent life of  most of the population and that&#8217;s a gap that has to be overcome somehow.</p>
<h3><strong>Alice Walker</strong></h3>
<p><strong>I believe that a one state solution to the Palestine/Israel  impasse is inevitable; and more just than a two state solution could  ever be. This is because I don&#8217;t believe Israel will ever give up trying  to control Palestinians, whether citizens of Israel or those living in  the occupied territories.  Under a two state solution there would be  Israel and a Palestinian bantustan.</strong></p>
<p><strong>I have been struck by your dismissal of the one state idea as  something almost absurd, and would like to understand why you see it  this way. Is there no hope that Israelis and Palestinians might live  together as white and black people do, after the fall of apartheid, in  South Africa?</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting question. She is a wonderful woman, she does  fine work, she&#8217;s really committed to the Palestinian cause but the  question tells you something about the recent Palestine solidarity  movement. I mean, if I had asked her, let&#8217;s say, &#8216;why do you think it is  absurd to try to advocate for civil rights for blacks in the United  States?&#8217; she&#8217;d be nonplussed &#8211; she&#8217;s devoted a lot of her life to that.  In fact the only possible response would be: What planet are you coming  from? That&#8217;s what I’ve been doing all my life.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s exactly the same here. It&#8217;s now about 70 years that we have  been advocating for what in the recent reincarnation is called the One  State settlement. One State settlement, notice, not solution. A one  state settlement, used to be called the bi-national settlement and if  you think about it, yes, it&#8217;ll have to be a bi-national settlement. So  that&#8217;s what I was doing when I was a young activist in the 1940s,  opposed to a Jewish state.  That&#8217;s continued without a break. And it&#8217;s  kind of hard to miss. Since the late 1960s, a series of books, huge  number of articles, constant talks all the time, thousands of them,  interviews, all the same. Trying to work for a bi-national settlement,  in opposition to a Jewish state.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done a ton of work on this, activist work, writing and so  on. But it&#8217;s not just a slogan, and I think that&#8217;s why somebody like  Alice Walker does not know it. It&#8217;s not just a slogan, &#8216;let&#8217;s all live  together happily&#8217;. It&#8217;s trying to look at the problem seriously. If  you&#8217;re serious about it, you ask &#8216;how do we get there?&#8217;. You ask what  are the steps that will take us there, not just would it be nice if we  had peace? That&#8217;s easy. How do we get there? Well that depends on  circumstances, like all tactical choices. So in the pre-1948 period,  this was straightforward, we do not want a Jewish state, let&#8217;s have a  bi-national state. From 1948 to 1967 you could not sensibly pick that  position, you were talking to yourself. 1967 it opened up again. There  was an opportunity in 1967 to move towards some kind of a federal system  which could then proceed further to closer integration, maybe become a  true bi-national secular state.</p>
<p>In 1975 Palestinian nationalism crystallised and appeared on the  agenda, and the PLO, turned to a two state settlement, the huge  overwhelming international consensus at that time for a two state  settlement in the form that everyone knows. From 1967 to 1975 it was  possible to advocate for it directly and it was anathema, hated,  denounced, because it was threatening. It was threatening because it  could be fulfilled and that would harm policy formation. So if it was  noticed at all, it was denounced, vilified. From 1975 on you could still  maintain this position but you have to face reality, it is going to  have to be achieved in stages. There is only one proposal that I have  ever heard, other than let&#8217;s all live in peace together, the one  proposal that I know is, begin with the international consensus, the two  states settlement. It will reduce the level of violence, the cycle of  violence, it will open up possibilities for a closer interaction, which  already to some extent takes place, even in today&#8217;s circumstances,  commercial, cultural and other forms of interaction. That could lead to  erosion of boundaries. That could move on to closer integration, and  maybe something like the old concept of bi-national state.</p>
<p>Now, I call it a settlement because I don&#8217;t think this is the end  of the road. I don&#8217;t see any particular reason to worship imperialist  boundaries. So when my wife and I go back to when we were students, we  were backpacking in northern Israel and happened to cross into Lebanon,  because there is no marked border, you know, somebody finally yelled at  us and told us to get back. Why should there be a border there? It was  imposed by British and French violence. You should move towards closer  integration to the whole region, a no state settlement if you want the  word. There is plenty of things wrong with states anyway, why should we  worship state structures? They should be eroded. Now, it&#8217;s a series of  steps. If someone can think of another way to get there, then they ought  to tell us. We could listen to it and talk about it. But I don&#8217;t know  of any other way. So what you end up with, at least, what I end up with,  what I’ve been writing and speaking about, is something that is too  complex to put on a twitter message.</p>
<p>In this age that means it does not exist. You have to support  both the two states and the one state settlement. You have to support  both of them, because one of them is the path to getting into the other.  If you don&#8217;t make the first move, you&#8217;re not going to get anywhere. Now  Alice Walker says that Israel won&#8217;t accept a two states settlement. She  is right. It&#8217;s not going to accept the one state settlement either. So  if that argument has any force, her proposal is out of the window, mine  too.</p>
<p>By the same argument you can show that there can never be an end  to apartheid. White nationalists would never accept an end to apartheid,  which was true &#8211; OK therefore let&#8217;s give up the anti-apartheid  struggle. Indonesia will never give up East Timor, in fact the generals  said so this loudly, &#8216;it&#8217;s our province, we&#8217;re going to keep it&#8217;. That  would have been true if actions were taken in a vacuum But there are not  taken in a vacuum, there are other factors involved. One factor, which  is significant and in fact in these cases is decisive, is US policy.  Well, that&#8217;s not engraved in stone. When US policy shifted on Indonesia  and East Timor, it literally took one phrase from President Clinton to  get the Indonesian generals out. At one point he said &#8216;it&#8217;s over&#8217;. They  withdrew.</p>
<p>In the case of apartheid, it&#8217;s a little more complicated. Cuba  played a big role. Cuba drove South Africans out of Namibia for example,  protected Angola. That had a big impact. But it was when the US changed  policy, around 1990, there was a change of policy, it was at that point  that apartheid collapsed. Now in the case of Israel, the US is  decisive. Israel can&#8217;t do anything except what the US supports. It gives  diplomatic, military, economic, ideological support. If that prop is  pulled out, they do what the US says. In fact that&#8217;s happened over and  over.</p>
<p>So yes it&#8217;s true that if they were acting in a vacuum they&#8217;d  never accept anything but what they are now doing. Taking over Gaza  prison, taking over as much as the territories as you want, you know,  they&#8217;ll continue. But they are not acting in a vacuum. There are things  we can do, like in other cases, to change it. And in that case, I think  you can consider, and even lay out a plan, for a move towards a one  state settlement as a step towards something even better, you can go on.  As far as I can see the only way to do that is by supporting the  international consensus, as a first step. A step, a prelude to further  steps. That means very concrete actions. We don&#8217;t have to have a seminar  in which we discuss abstract possibilities. There are very concrete  moves that can be made.</p>
<p>For example, withdraw the Israeli army from the West Bank. That&#8217;s  a concrete proposal and there are steps that can be taken to implement  it. For example, Amnesty International, which is hardly a revolutionary  organisation, has called for an arms embargo on Israel. Well ii the US  and Britain, France, others, if the public could compel the governments  to accept that proposal, and say there is an arms embargo unless you  pull your army out of the West Bank, that would have an effect. Other  actions can to. If the army pulled out of the West Bank, the settlers  will go with them. They will climb into the lorries provided to them and  move from their subsidised homes in the West Bank to their subsidised  homes in Israel. Just like they did in Gaza when they got the order.  Some will probably remain, but that&#8217;s OK, they want to remain in a  Palestinian state, that&#8217;s their business. So there are quite concrete  things that can be done. I mean, it&#8217;s not going to be like snapping your  fingers, but it&#8217;s not beyond the kind of things that have happened  elsewhere, when policy of the great powers changed, primarily the US.</p>
<h3>Video of the interview with Noam Chomsky</h3>
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<p><em>Frank Barat is coordinator or the <a href="http://russelltribunalonpalestine.com/en" rel="nofollow"  target="_blank">Russell Tribunal on Palestine</a>. Gaza in Crisis: Reflections on Israel&#8217;s War Against the Palestinians by Noam Chomsky and Ilan Pappé, edited by Frank Barat, is out now.</em></p>
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